Taikiken

[Bishamonten]

Who does train Taikiken as part of his Karate Training? Which Kyokushin groups are influenced by it?
I know Royama, Kallenbach and Kazumi are doing it and there are instructional videos for Taikiken in Kyokushin. When did the Taikiken crosstraining start, I never heard of Kaicho Nakamura doing it and he parted ways in 1975?

Here are some fights between Kyokushin and Taikiken guys, you can also see Matsui:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX_U28_qmZw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkC35VbWGvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pBquv4-VV8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFqV2zZ50SU

[Shurenkan]

I believe that some Kyokushin members started cross training as early as the late 70's . But I don't think it was done on an organizational level, just a few instructors here and there who recognized it's value in their own martial education. There were some instructors who crossed trained and by virtue of that, so did their students. Royama-san started training with Sawai sensei in the 70's and trained alongside Kallenbach and Kuramoto Nariharu sensei (of Shukikai). While I am not certain this is true, I have heard that he was the one who introduced Hiroshige Shihan to Taikiken and in turn Hiroshige san introduced his students to it. But as an organization (or organizations) I don't think it has ever been a big part of Kyokushin.

When Royama-san was still part of IKO 1, there was a lot more cross training in Iken, by virtue of his relationship with Son Ritsu. Since establishing his own organization I know that many of their dojo incorporate Iken / Taikiken into their training and that Son Ritsu teaches at their instructor's camps. I am not sure if many members of IKO 1 are still practicing although I am I would venture a guess that they are.

I also know that Nishida Shihan's Seibukai organization also incorporates Taikiken and other internal chinese arts like Tai Ji and Ba qua into their training.

Miguel Rios
Karatedo Shurenkan

[cameron]

I recall when I was first training at Honbu in 1976 and Hiroshige Sempai was still uchi deshi even then he would go out for the odd day or two (with Sosai's permission) to train with Royama Shihan in Taikiken. Royama Shihan's pic was also on the back of Sawai Sensei's book which I first bought in about 1978 or 79.

Miguel, I didn't know Kuramoto Sensei was training with Sawai Sensei. I remember he was part of Nakamura Sensei's Kendokai before he left to start his own organization. Nakamura Sensei was the third of Royama Shihan's three main teachers: Sosai, Sawai Sensei and Nakamura Sensei.

Hiroshige Sempai's guys have always done a lot of the Hai and Neri training of Taikiken, as well as being influenced by the makiwara training of Kendokai. Beyond that I can't say how much Taikiken they actually did.

[n.loy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2oFcdIATPU

[n.loy]

Shihan Tsutomu Wakiuchi.